Thursday, May 10, 2007

More theories (under construction)

I'm going to post some more and deeper info on the different theories here.

Theories on Agartha

Entrance to Agartha (sometimes Agartta, Agharti or Agarttha)
Agartha is a legendary city that is said to reside in the Earth's core. It is related to the Hollow Earth theory. It is a popular subject in Esotericism.

Possible entrances are:
  • Cueva de los Tayos (Cave of the oil birds), Ecuador
  • Gobi Desert, Mongolia.
  • Great Pyramid of Giza
  • Iguazu Falls, Argentina
  • Mammoth Cave, Kentucky, USA
  • Manaus, Brazil
  • Mato Grosso, Brazil
  • Mount Epomeo, Italy
  • Mount Shasta, California (the Agharthean city of Telos)
  • North Pole
  • Rama, near Jaipur, India
  • South Pole
  • The Well of Sheshna in Benares
In Tibet, there is a major mystical shrine also called 'Potala,' which is said by the people there to sit atop an ancient cavern and tunnel system, which reaches throughout the Asian continent and possibly beyond. The Nagas also traditionally have an affinity with water, and the entrances to their underground palaces are often said to be hidden at the bottom of wells, deep lakes and rivers. (Tibet text from Vlaka)

Original Thread can be found here

More Information about Agartha can be found here

Theory on Ayers Rock, Dreamtime, Songlines and why it's important.
(By Nyte, From

Ayers Rock: - 25 20' 41"S, 131 1' 57"E
In doing some research about Ayers Rock (a.k.a. Uluṟu), Nyte stumbled across this:

Name / History
Uluṟu, also known as Ayers Rock, is a large sandstone rock formation in the southern part of the Northern Territory, central Australia... The local Pitjantjatjara people call the landmark Uluṟu. This word has no other meaning in Pitjantjatjara, but it is a local family name.

Description / Geology
Uluṟu is Australia's most recognisable natural icon. The world-renowned sandstone formation stands 348 m (1,142 ft) high [863 m (2,831 ft) above sea level] with most of its bulk below the ground, and measures 9.4 km (5.8 mi) in circumference... The strata at Uluṟu are nearly vertical, dipping to the southwest at 85°, and have an exposed thickness of at least 2,400 m (7,900 ft). The strata dip below the surrounding plain and no doubt extend well beyond Uluṟu in the subsurface, but the extent is not known.
Legends / Superstitions
A variety of Aboriginal legends account for the existence of Uluṟu and its many cracks and fissures.

One tells of serpent beings who waged many wars around Uluṟu, scarring the rock. Another myth recounts that two tribes of ancestral spirits were invited to a feast, but were distracted by the beautiful Sleepy Lizard Women and did not show up... There followed a great battle, which ended in the deaths of the leaders of both tribes. The earth itself rose up in grief at the bloodshed, becoming Uluṟu.

It is often reported that those who take rocks from the formation will be cursed and suffer misfortune. There have been many instances where people who removed such rocks attempted to mail them back to various agencies in an attempt to remove the perceived curse.

Hello! The earth itself rose up in grief at the bloodshed = a.k.a Cry Gaia. But wait... it gets better...

Tourism issues

The Aṉangu also request that visitors not photograph certain sections of Uluṟu, for reasons related to traditional Tjukurpa beliefs... Historical photographs of these formations continue to circulate through the world population at large.


The local Aṉangu do not climb Uluṟu because of its great spiritual significance. They request that visitors not climb the rock, partly due to the path crossing a sacred traditional Dreamtime track...

So what is a Dreamtime track? If you're still paying attention you're in for a treat!

Aboriginals believe in two forms of time. Two parallel streams of activity. One is the daily objective activity ... The other is an infinite spiritual cycle called the "dreamtime," more real than reality itself. Whatever happens in the dreamtime establishes the values, symbols, and laws of Aboriginal society. Some people of unusual spiritual powers have contact with the dreamtime.

Australian's indigenous peoples conceive of all things beginning with the Dreaming or (in some Indigenous languages) Altjeringa (also called the Dreamtime), a 'once upon a time' time out of time where archetypal ancestral totemic spirit-beings formed the World.

The expression 'Dreamtime' is most often used to refer to the 'time before time', or 'the time of the creation of all things'...

The journey of the Spirit Ancestors across the land are recorded in Dreaming Tracks. A Dreaming track joins a number of sites which trace the path of an Ancestral Being as it moved through the landscape, forming its features, creating its flora and fauna and laying down the Laws.

Dreaming tracks are also called Songlines. Songlines are an intricate series of song cycles that identify landmarks and subtle tracking mechanisms for navigation. These songs often evoke how the features of the land were created and named during the Dreaming...

By singing the songs in the appropriate sequence, indigenous peoples could navigate vast distances... some of which are of a few kilometres, whilst others traverse hundreds of kilometres through disparate terrain and lands of many different indigenous peoples ~ peoples who may speak markedly different languages and champion significantly different cultural traditions.

An interesting feature of the paths is that, as they span the lands of several different language groups, different parts of the song are said to be in those different languages. Thus the whole song can only be fully understood by a person speaking all the relevant languages.

So let's look at the map and coordinates again. I believe the lines between these coordinates represent Songlines.

And if you've made it this far, I've saved the best part for last:

The Computer game Dreamfall draws heavily from the concept of Dreamtime, as well as from other Aboriginal mythologies.

Hey... I wonder if we know anyone heavily involved in the development and lore behind Dreamfall?

Diving into Dreamtime and Songlines opens up a whole "Pandora's Box" of Lore. (sorry, couldn't help myself...) But that will have to be a topic for another thread.


Anonymous said...

I have discovered the location of the photograph .. it was before you all along .. the number sequencee printed under the friends name 20121221

stands for 20:12 hours (eveidenced by the clock symbol on the photograph pointing to 8 o'clock)

then 1st month
2nd day ..

or 20:12 (1) (2) (21)

what was the date that admundsen was in devil's glacier?? jan 2 1921

Anonymous said...

If the hour were 20:12 exactly then wouldn't it make sense that the clock wouldn't be pointing at 8:00 on the dot?

And the number 20121221 could also stand for the year, month and day.

Ex. 2012, December 21st.

Which stands for the date the Mayan Long Count Calendar starts over. To the Mayans it meant the end of one creation and the beginning of another.

Anonymous said...

On the forums there is some data IN the original picture, if you edit in Notepad you can see a journal entry... might want to add it to your great synopsis, well done on a concice effort.

eblees said...

A grim, odd arcane sky
Any god, I mark sacred.

A masked cry adoring
A dreamy, sick dragon.


The dark days are coming
The dark days are coming

The dark days are coming
The dark days are coming

eblees said...

oh forgot to say that you can add these..

the coming days are dark
dark are the coming days
coming are the dark days

Orla said...

Great work.

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